This isn’t a quitting post, nor is it going to be a long post about why my posting levels are much lower than they previously have been. Knowing my yearly energy cycle, you can expect me to be most active from around March until September, as that is when I tend to have the most creative energy to spend on side projects. What I want to talk about today is what phrases like ‘RL comes first’ and ‘fair rotation’ really mean in what amounts to a group setting.
The following has sprung up after various situations in the guild I am part of over the last year and a half. Although they have been prompted by recent events, I’ve tried to leave individual situations out of it.
Real life always comes first
It has become very clear to me that this phrase can refer to different things. Firstly there are absolute needs – emergencies and other unforeseen circumstances that cannot be avoided. This can be anything from bad traffic, to needing to work late, to your kid having an argument with her friend at a sleepover and needing to be picked up at 10pm. Stuff happens, and most guilds will be accepting and understanding of these situations.
The phrase is most often thrown around, in my guild at least, when someone has to study, or a birthday, or wants to hang out with friends instead of raid with online friends. Never in a million years would I expect someone to sign up for a raid they can’t commit to due to school, work or family life. However in a guild where many of us work full time and have kids, pets, and other responsibilities; we all make arrangements and preparations so that the three hours we get to raid in goes as smoothly as possible. That way if the unavoidable does happen, you won’t get caught out by needing to be summoned, or still need to grab consumables.
What others often mean by this is that when their dinner is ready, they go and eat it – no matter that it’s 30 minutes into the raid. Or they have to go to bed early, or whatever they need to do that takes longer than a scheduled raid break. There are guilds where raiders have young children that may need random sudden AFKs, but the guild as a community has normally accepted these situations in advance and made arrangements for them.
If you do have a random, unavoidable thing that may cause you to take a break mid raid, and you know it will happen (e.g. a delivery, a repairman, etc) make sure the raid leader knows. Real life definitely takes priority, but these 3 hours belong to the entire group of 25 people’s real lives. It is your responsibility to make sure that those raid hours are clean of interruptions, within reason.
Fairness
A word that gets bandied about a lot. It is very easy to be frightened of things like loot systems, raid requirements. When I first started raiding I had a very definite predjudice against becoming what I viewed a ‘hard-core no lifer’. Nowadays I would definitely call myself casual, but I expect a certain level of preparation and dedication from myself and my fellow raiders. I often bump up against those who continue to view attendance requirements, dkp and performance requirements as the work of the debil, and I often wonder how much of the supposed animosity between hardcore raiders, average raiders and casuals is down to misconceptions and fears of these tried-and-tested mechanisms. The mechanisms of loot distribution, raid leading, lineup creation, raid team rotation exist because over the last 5 years many millions of players have learned from each other and figured out the best ways of herding cats. Just because you’re not familiar with them, or have had one bad experience with a particular group of people, it doesn’t mean that they don’t work or are the root of all raiding ills.
A complaint I often see revolves around how raid spots are handed out.
“If I’m already saved, I should have a spot for the whole reset”
“I can only come 2 raids out of 3 or 4, so I should always get a spot on those nights. That way we both get to raid.”
“I’m always available, I perform well, and I’m reliable, I should get the spot.”
“I’ve not finished gearing, but I should still get a spot as those epics are a bigger upgrade and I don’t want to get left behind”
“I’ve been a member here for 3 years, I should always get a spot”
“They only get perma-spots because they’re officers”
I’m not going to make any judgement calls about which of the above I think is fair, but I’ve often noticed a massive gap between the individual view of ‘fairness’, and what is best for the raid as a whole, or even what management view as fair. Then you also get to factor in guild morale and the impact it has on progression raid performance. It’s not easy running raids from a pool of adults of varying availability, skill levels and dedication. Personally I’m rather tired of it, but I’m never going to be able to dedicate myself to 100% signing up for more than 2 weeks in a row. I deliberately unsign from at least one raid per week to stop myself from burning out.
Also I hate raiding 10 mans.
Anyway, to get back to the idea of ‘fairness’, my point is that raiders need to try and think outside their own box of what is fair for them. Is it fair to expect the guild to progress slower, simply because you should always get to raid the one night a week when you’re available? Is it fair to expect other guildies to carry you, simply because your RL hasn’t allowed you time to get the best gear you could before you started signing up? Conversely, how quickly can you judge a raider’s performance, is it fair to bench them after only one raid of mediocre performance, when different raiders learn at different rates?
Not easy questions to answer, for any individual or any raid management team.






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Jen at http://www.storiesofwow.com
Those quotes strike a chord now… since our regular RL isn’t online at the moment, I’ve had to take care of the raiding team and it’s so much of a pain in the ass. I’m doing it for a 10-man guild (with 12-13 signups at a time), I don’t even want to imagine how it feels for a 25-man guild. Between personal friends, former raiders and current aspirants, everyone feel entitled to a spot… and while I would give up mine to shut them up, I can’t even do that since we’re short on healers! I’m trying to explain to everyone that we need some rotation to keep everyone “in the loop”… and I hope they all understand.
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 2:03pm.
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Pewter at http://mentalshaman.com
@Jen – We’re coming at it from the other direction a bit – we used to try and do ‘fair rotation’ and ended up with folk feeling entitled to raid on progression nights when they were unable to perform to the same level as others in the group. We made a concious decision at the start of Cataclysm (and announced it) saying that any fair rotation would be between folk of similar ability.
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 2:18pm.
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Saga at http://spellbound.nu/gdpw/
We’ve had similar problems with attendance and people still believing that they should be allowed to raid equally to those who put in the time and effort to be there every raid.
I’m sure it works differently in every guild, but I personally believe that for progression raids you want to bring the best setup with the best people (who are hopefully also the same people who are the most active).
If someone has something exceptional like a once-off and can’t make the raid we give their spot to someone else. But we like to check raid attendance during a period and keep a sort of threshold on what counts as an “active” raider.
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 2:32pm.
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Gaia at http://10manraiding.wordpress.com/
How often does your guild raid out of curiosity?
A lot of this is why I searched for a 3 night raiding schedule to try and maintain some kind of balance with the rest of my life. I have very little tolerance for other people in game though that interfere with my 9 hours of raiding a week.
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 4:15pm.
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Pewter at http://mentalshaman.com
@Gaia – We raid 4 nights a week, which is actually less than Wrath, when we had 3 nights of official raids, and pretty much a 10-man on all the non-official evenings.
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 4:34pm.
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Windsoar at http://feeds.feedburner.com/jadedalt
I cannot in any way tolerate people who have less respect for my time than they have for their own. We all have other things we could be doing. We all have friends/dogs/jobs/family and 101 other things that are not tied to a computer screen. However, when you make a commitment you keep it. It’s not a hard concept, and I definitely get tired of people who choose to view their on-line commitments as 100 times less important than their real-life “sudden invite to beer pong.”
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 6:18pm.
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Kazgrel at http://stormearthandfire.wordpress.com
This post made me twitch because I had flashbacks to when I was a GM and RL for several months. On one side, the experience running a show like that was very useful, but it was probably the most painful experience of my WoW career (although archaeology is climbing that list…but that’s another can of worms).
For the most part, I’m perplexed by the entitlement to raid spots people have. Speaking for myself, there’s a bazillion things I can do in game (or IRL) and pass my raid spot to someone else who’s willing and capable of going. Would I want to do that for every raid night? Of course not. But if there’s 28 people wanting to go, I’ll volunteer to sit out if it’ll help get our raid going. Whether it would be wasting 25 people’s time or 28, it’s still a LOT of time wasted, and I hate doing that.
Posted at January 25, 2011 on 6:24pm.
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Pewter at http://mentalshaman.com
@Windsoar – Yeah. The situation that set this off was extremely frustrating and could have been avoided if the person in question had actually let us know that he’d need a 10 minute afk in the last hour or so. We would willingly have arranged our break around when he needed to go, if he’d told us. Instead he just piped up in the last hour of raid time, right after our best attempt on Omnotron (at the time.) Was very dispiriting and in the end he was gkicked.
@Kazgrel – Yeah, entitlement is bizarre. It’s a little bit complicated for us, because we’ve been trying to give everyone a fresh start. However most raiders haven’t changed their spots, when it comes to how they behaved in wrath, so some people are getting grouchy that they aren’t getting a chance to improve.
That said, I always know what I’m getting wrong and what I need to fix, so sometimes I’m a bit bemused that others must be so blithely unaware of the problems they have, re moving out of the bad, spell uptimes, etc.
Posted at January 26, 2011 on 9:29am.
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brangwen at http://nonelitistraiding.blogspot.com
Transparency and communication.
As leaders, be transparent of decisions made and why. Being up front and defining the guilds version of fair means there is less subjectivity in the topic.
Communication is a 2 way street, leaders need to communicate to their min^H^H^Hguildies and guildies need to also communicate with their overl^H^H^H^H^Hofficers.
It’s definitely tricky to manage, though
Posted at February 1, 2011 on 2:39am.
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Thossi
“There are guilds where raiders have young children that may need random sudden AFKs, but the guild as a community has normally accepted these situations in advance and made arrangements for them.”
The first part of that sentence applies to me. That’s why I’ve never even bothered getting any of my characters to max level and try and get into a guild as a raider. Even when playing as a damage dealer with four strangers through the LFD system, doing an instance that people can two- or three-man if they put a little effort into it, I feel a little guilty having to leave because my child woke up and needs to be put back to sleep. Feels worse when tanking, too. And since I figure even the hurters matter in a raid – well, why take the risk?
On the other hand – it never even occurred to me that there might be guilds out there willing to accommodate this kind of behavior …
Posted at February 22, 2011 on 8:52pm.